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		<title>By: Rob Lambert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Lambert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Anne-Marie,

Good posting. I&#039;ve been using agile for a year or so now and have been incredibly impressed with how the tester fits in to the process. They are at the centre and involved right at the start.

I too have a doubt over 100% automation acceptance testing. It is not possible and exploratory testing is actually far more valuable. You&#039;ve also got to ask whether or not you know all of the acceptance criteria in advance and whether or not the ones you have got are actually accurate.

I&#039;ve been experimenting with using Selenium to automate the repetitive low level acceptance tests leaving the complicated testing to exploratory techniques. 

Glad you enjoyed the scrum gathering, sounds like we may have another agile convert in the making.

Cheers
Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Anne-Marie,</p>
<p>Good posting. I&#8217;ve been using agile for a year or so now and have been incredibly impressed with how the tester fits in to the process. They are at the centre and involved right at the start.</p>
<p>I too have a doubt over 100% automation acceptance testing. It is not possible and exploratory testing is actually far more valuable. You&#8217;ve also got to ask whether or not you know all of the acceptance criteria in advance and whether or not the ones you have got are actually accurate.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been experimenting with using Selenium to automate the repetitive low level acceptance tests leaving the complicated testing to exploratory techniques. </p>
<p>Glad you enjoyed the scrum gathering, sounds like we may have another agile convert in the making.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Rob</p>
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		<title>By: Tarik Sheth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tarik Sheth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 05:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne-Marie,
I agree to that the customer is not much benefitted from the agile methodology. the agile process is basically has known defects and in some case it releases to the customers with known defects too, I feel if the known defects are there then it should not be released to the customers.
&quot;Cheapest and quickest way does not always guarantee the quality:  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne-Marie,<br />
I agree to that the customer is not much benefitted from the agile methodology. the agile process is basically has known defects and in some case it releases to the customers with known defects too, I feel if the known defects are there then it should not be released to the customers.<br />
&#8220;Cheapest and quickest way does not always guarantee the quality:  <img src='http://mavericktester.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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